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Kryptovaluutat ja talous / Re: Pohdintaa perustulosta
« on: July 18, 2015, 05:15:37 PM »
Ei hirveän hyvä artikkeli. Ideaalinen perustulo on perustulo, jolla tulee niukin naukin toimeen. Työnteon kannustin on kaikki luxus tämän päälle yksilön vapaaehtoisen arvon tuottamisen tuloksena.

Jos ja kun lohkoketjuvaluutta luodaan aidosti "perustulona" eli numeerisena määränä ostovoimaa kaikille järjestelmään liittyville ja osallistuville (esim. miljoona jokaiselle liittyjälle, ja automaattisella sopimumuksella pyöritetään negatiivista korkoa, joka kannustaa pitämään yksiköt liikenteessä ja jolla tasataan numeerista ostovoimaa hyvällä matemaattisella kaavalla), niin mistä ostovoima muodostuu?

Tuotannosta ja halukkuudesta vaihtaa tuotteita ko. järjestelmän arvokkeisiin. Tällöin perustuloideaan ei liity "niukin naukin" mitenkään, mutta kylläkin se, että jos ittekin osallistuu tuottamiseen ja yhteisen kakun kasvattamiseen vaihtamalla jotain kuvaillun perustulojärjestelmän arvokkeisiin, niin sitten kollektiivista ostovoimaa on järjestelmässä sen verran enemmän.

Yksilön "tuotannon" ei tarvitse olla pelkästään perunoita tai muita tavaroita, eikä "työn" mitään sellaista, miten esim. yrittäjyys ja palkkaorjuus nykyään määritellään. Varsinkaan jos ja kun järjestelmä saavuttaa jonkun kompleksisuuden asteen jota jotkut kutsuvat mm. sanalla "markkinat".

Found this article:

It uses haskell (see e.g. in snippet illustrations of code, and as far as I can tell (not very far) haskell sounds very good and promising tool for coding block chain ecosystems.

General FIMK Discussion / Re: Fimk Status?
« on: March 19, 2015, 12:19:55 AM »

General FIMK Discussion / Re: Fork issue how do I get off it? Help
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:50:14 PM »
FIMK is a community project if there is enough support for a feature i don't see why it should not be possible.
You could proceed by explaining your idea in more detail.

Like all of us, i'm very interested in software product that is worth marketing (in the 'attention economy' and taking notice of basic human psychology) to masses of averadge joes. In terms of development project, AFAIK the only way to do that is communal and social, with well working feedback loops from testers to coding - including coding of translations etc linguistic level. As Dirk says, the "under the hood" code needs to be in good shape before that can happen, and the core functions program seems like perfect place to start to finesse the linguistic etc. psychological level interface in joint effort.

I have more questions than answers on practical level, e.g.
1) is it possible to make to coding of linguistic interface less dependent from pro coder like Dirk or more approachable and doable for testers and developers, in order to save Dirk's time and effort and let him concentrate on where his best talent and interest is?
2) what would be the best way to implement the social project of developing most intuitive interface we can do? How to communicate most efficiently, so that messages concerning testing and developing get not only send, but also received, and the software product evolves with least noise?

I don't have any practical experience of this kind of project, but I feel developing the development project would also require certain level of simplicity of communication, e.g. good layman explanations that give holistic comprehension of what we are doing and how the software works, beginning from block chain tech? And we - or those with most experience and comprehension - would need to publish their knowledge both in English and Finnish for the purpose of gaining more comprehensive and holistic view of our project, so that details (of linguistic API etc) fall in place most harmoniously and with least effort. In recent days it has become more clear, that the biggest challenge - and promise - of FIMK as first serious step towards basic income crypto is to bridge the gap between insider techies and noob average users. To become a real community project.

Working simultaneously in two languages is both challenge and asset. English is great on analytic approach to details, and Finnish has more holistic nature. I, like many others, can comprehend parts only after holistic level of comprehension has evolved fully enough. A translator generally reads the whole book before s(h)e can start to translate words and sentences.

General FIMK Discussion / Re: Fork issue how do I get off it? Help
« on: March 17, 2015, 09:28:05 AM »
Great thread. <3

Could it be possible to start a translation (etc linguistic - pop up explanations of terms and functions etc.) interface development with this core app? How to proceed?

General FIMK Discussion / Re: FIMKrypto Blog at
« on: March 17, 2015, 09:18:17 AM »
Thanks and keep up the good work!

General FIMK Discussion / Re: FIMKrypto Blog at
« on: March 17, 2015, 09:03:56 AM »

Especially the part where creating a good human interface is hard.
What is even harder is creating that human interface out of thin air it has to be build on-top of something.
Currently there are no other crypto projects to look at that do have that easy interface which is ready for mass adoption, if there was, well you know where that crypto would have gone (hint it's not the sun).

With (among other things) these two-way websockets we'll have yet another part of the puzzle towards that goal of the ready-for mass adoption human interface.

Thanks. I was impressed with one of early Nokia phone interface, which needs to work so intuitively that there is no need to read manual, and only later learned that it had been very smartly developed in all-noob test environment. Of course the "under-the-hood" code needs to be in very good shape, before a project can be launched to develop the user interface. Very few here have a holistic comprehension of the development stage - and goals, but my question and suggestion is this:

If and  when the core functions (exactly what?) are ready enough, a serious  interface polishing & translation project could be launched on testnet. In that case, what would be the best way to implement the feedback from test users into code?

Technical Discussion / Re: Bringing in developers
« on: March 14, 2015, 06:17:49 AM »
Thanks. Hope that your  opening catches fish.

General FIMK Discussion / Re: FIMKrypto Blog at
« on: March 14, 2015, 06:16:29 AM »
I don't like to sound like a downer, but as all my reason tells me that future of FIMK - essentially first serious experiment  towards crypto createed as basic income - depends on functional human  API, all our joint efforts should be directed by that goal. Dirk is no doubt a genious coder, but his - your - talent is not first and foremost the human interface from what I've seen so far, which is essential for adoptation of any and all crypto and especially basic income system for the masses, that has also genuine purchasing power (shop shoftware that is equally easily adobtable).

These are not easy challenges, on  the contrary, and that is the very reason why I feel the need to try to direct attention to programming the human interface as easily aproachable and workable as possible. And as we are social being and monetary systems are social by definition, these challenges cannot be anything but social processes of mutual learning and innovation. Sorry, I have no detailed or concrete suggestions for this post, just stressing most important aspects of dev philosophy that I'm sure we all agree on basic level. We need software for both receivers of basic income and merchants that are ready to accept fimks for their productus to make this  project work, as a learning process that teaches us and gives experience on also other things than how to not fail spectacularly.

Cryptocurrencies / General Economy / Re: Crypto and gaming
« on: March 06, 2015, 01:23:55 AM »
Thanks, and nice blogging :). Your answers confirm with my modest experience and intuitions. As for the fun and enjoyable part of thinking ahead freely, the intriguing part is the similarities between massivve muliplayer online games, and (currently) block chain ecosystems being special part of that category. and the realization that both are evolving processes.

Our way of life has become defined by codependent and coevolutionary relation with cybernetic exoskeleton we call "information society". Mostly and essentially that is, Internet software. Programmable society. Or rather, multitude of social programs competing for consumers of social orders, such as money creation etc. etc.

Proof of Identity in the form of MMORPG avatar, in a world of participative self-creation, does not sound like bad idea. It sounds like worth exploring. And my hunch says that kind of project might get organized on company level (about hundred activists) at the most creative and productive stage. All projects also change as function of time in terms of organization, numbers of participants, etc.

And as for Swarming (aka Snowball Projects, with small but significant difference with Pyramid Schemes in terms of growth), the ideas on Swarm leadership and  tactical manual to swarming by the Swedish Pirate are worth noticing:

Cryptocurrencies / General Economy / Crypto and gaming
« on: March 05, 2015, 01:20:39 AM »
1) What are the main differences between crypto development project and  game development project? And similarities?

2) What kind of wild ideas and fantasies you have of blockchain ecosystem in the form of e.g. 3D avatar game type interface? Proof of MMORPG to keep servers up and updating?

FIMK Client discussion / Re: Introducing
« on: February 25, 2015, 11:50:54 PM »
That's why I suggested informing a user speaking another language and getting first experience of this software in another language about the status of the translation. A program that fails high hopes and expectations and mostly miscommunicates in machine translation in it's human interface is a huge psychological turn-off for potential users and when people get disappointed, many of them share their disappointment with others.

General FIMK Discussion / Re: Contacting the bank of finland
« on: February 25, 2015, 11:38:38 PM »
Oh The Irony. Anyone who knows math enough to understand notions of percentage (aka "interest") and exponential growth knows that central bank fiats are scams. Ponzi scams.

FIMK Client discussion / Re: Introducing
« on: February 21, 2015, 08:07:41 PM »
Good points. So maybe the conclusion is not to add (mis)communicating Bysantine General translations to the software in the first place, and instead concentrate on developing a product that communicates benevolently with at least, and to begin with, with Finnish speaking basic income receivers, and when that level is functional enough, start thinking about adding more natural languages?

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